German Formular cards

    I am looking for any source of information on the Formular cards from 1870-1872.
    - The Michel catalogues do not include it.
    - Ascher (1928) mentions them but do not show them and give only a brief information.
    - Higgins & Gage (H&G) show the Correspondenz-karten from NDP but say nothing on the cards from Baden, Würtemberg (if any), Deutsches Reichpost, Deutsches Reichspostgebiet usw.
    - ARGE NDP Rundbrief 48 gives a "key" to the NDP-cards with essentially the same information as H&G.

    Where do I find information about the others?

    In ARGE NDP Rundbrief 47 there is a source ("FORUM 5") listed: 52 pages on "Grundlegende Arbeit 'Die Deutschen Corr.karten 1870 und 1871' and another 9 pages enclosure. What is "FORUM 5" and where do I find a copy?

    I am especially missing information on the Correspondenz-karten and the Postkarten from 1871-1872 from Deutsches Reichpost(-gebiet).

    I can read German!

    Lallof :smilie

    Formular cards with pictures on it from the German-French war 1870/71 belong to the very rare and the oldest picture postcards from Germany.

    Here some Links:

    Während des Deutsch-Französischen Kriegs 1870/71 gab es die erste Verwendung von Postkarten in größerem Umfang. Nachdem für die mobilen Truppen ab 17. Juli 1870 Portofreiheit galt, wurden bis Dezember 1870 rund 10 Millionen „Feldpost-Correspondenzkarten“ in die Heimat verschickt.

    Found:


    Here are some pictures of these cards (turn over with: “Nächste Seite”!:


    1870 Einführung der Correspondenzkarte in Form eines Postkartenformulars am 18.6. im Norddeutschen Postbezirk (NDP) sowie in Bayern (1.7.), Württemberg (8.7. /Ganzsache) und Baden (10.8.), Größe: 163 x 108 mm.
    7.-8.1870 Es gibt Feldpost- Correspondenzkarten für Bayern, Württemberg und den NDP. Sie verhalfen der neuen Sendungsart Correspondenzkarte zum Durchbruch.
    1.5.1872 Die Bezeichnung Correspondenzkarte wird im NDP durch „Postkarte“ ersetzt.
    1870 Es gibt humoristische Feldpostkarten und Bildpostkarten mit Gedichten.

    Found in:


    Mit Beginn des Deutsch-Französischen Krieges wurden die Karten auch als Feldpostkarten zugelassen und schon bald eigene Feldpost-Correspondenzkarten in zwei Formen (eine an Soldaten im Feld und eine von Soldaten an die Heimatanschrift) gedruckt.

    Found in:


    Gruß kartenhai

    Thanks a lot for the input!

    Now, I think I have the information I want on the formular cards from NDP, Baden and Bayern.

    This is what I know, and don't know, on the cards from Deutsches Reich:

    1871, from August, "Deutsches Reichspostgebiet. Correspondenz-karte", size 163x108 mm. I have several types, with the first line straight or in an arc, different eagles (Adler) etc. Are these types listed somewhere? When were the different types issued? All the way up till June 1872?

    1872, before July 1, a double card, with "Deutsches Reichspostgebiet. Correspondenz-karte", had a smaller size 144x88 and red paper. More than one type?

    1872, from July 1, "Deutsches Reichspost. Postkarte", four notes at the bottom. I have several types, with different eagles (Adler), different text styles, different line styles, with and without "C.154", etc. Are these types listed somewhere? When were the different types issued?

    1872, from October: Similar cards without notes at the bottom. Several types.

    With mail today I got a number of issues of "Die Ganzsache". In one issue I saw an article on Posteinweisungen from DR, with 19 (!) types of eagles (Adlers). Are they relevant for the Correspondenz-karten and Postkarten?

    Can anyone help me with further information or sources where to find it?

    Lallof

    Some of the cards can be seen here:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8pojw8axil3u…raight.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9e71zr9kfz6p…r2_arc.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/zn8z49j5u42n…4rke%20obeg.jpg

    The best and most comprehensive listing is by Hanspeter FRECH in his fabulous book about early stationery postcards:

    Die Postkarten aus den ehemaligen Postvereinsländern und dem deutschen Kaiserreich: Entwicklungsgeschichte; Handbuch, Katalog
    the postcards of the former postal union countries and the german empire: history of development. handbook, catalog)
    By Hanspeter Frech. 412 pp., published by the author (Eigenverlag): Hausach 1991

    Out of print but easily available* via philatelic bookdealers, used book sellers, literature section at auctions or ebay.
    *in Germany

    2 Mal editiert, zuletzt von ligneN (13. November 2014 um 17:55)

    Da es im Eigenverlag vertrieben wird, einfach mal den Verfasser selbst befragen;

    Hanspeter Frech,
    Am Hinterhof 30,
    77756 Hausach
    HPFrech@web.de


    Schildescher

    Ich mag Vollstempel (keine Versandstellenstempel) folgender Gebiete;

    Bund (bis zum Mauerfall)
    Berlin (u.a. Berliner Bauten , Mi.- Nr. 42- 60)
    DR /Dt. Kolonien / DSWA

    Keulen/ Cöln/ Coeln/ Köln bis 1940

    rote besondere AFS/PFS

    ligneN und Schildescher,
    Vielen Dank!
    I have been in contact with Hanspeter Frech with the e-mail address you gave me and he responded. He is now working on a new edition of his Handbuch that will be available in the Spring of 2015.
    He also made some corrections of the old version of his book.

    I have been looking for his Handbuch from 1991, without success. In the meantime I have found information in
    Arbeitsgemeinschaft Brustschilde und Nachverwendete Altdeutschland-Stempel e.V., Rundbrief Nr. 118, Juli 1995 where G-U Spiegel gives a key on
    Bestimmung der Amtlichen Correspondenz- und Postkartenformulare der Deutschen Reichspost bis 1875. This is exactly what I was looking for.
    Now, I am waiting for the new edition of H-P Frech's Handbook,

    Lallof