Stuttgart 1895?

    Hi to everyone,

    my name is Marco and I write from Rome, Italy.
    I collect thema stamps on Geology, Fossils, Minerals, and so on..., and then I have another collection of postal history about Vesuvian Funicular.

    With a postcard of Vesuvius I have a problem that I hope you could help to solve, and this the reason I'm here.

    In this postcard (probably dated 1885-1899) I have any information about the exact shipping date, because the stamp is postmarked by a linear postmark, without a date.
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.geostamps.it/ff/cadetti/occio/vesuvio_01.jpg]
    I have only the arrival postmark in Stuttgart, this one:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.geostamps.it/ff/cadetti/occio/vesuvio_01b.jpg]
    The seller who sold me this postcard said me the the date is 1895.
    Why?
    Is this a postmark used in Stuttgart only in 1895?

    Thank you very much in advance for any help you could give me.
    My best regards,
    Marco

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    Well.. thank you very much in advance for any answer to my question.
    Kind regards to all,
    Marco :)

    Hi all,

    any answer to my question?
    Maybe, someone could translate my question from English to German? So, maybe, more people could read my problem.. I cannot, I don't speak a word of German..

    Thank you very much in avdance, have a nice day.
    Marco

    Hello Marco,
    I think, the language is not the problem....
    If you don't get an answer here, try the BdPh-Forum.
    One of the member is an expert in Würtemberg-Philatelie, may be he can help you.

    Gesucht wird der Verwendungszeitraum des Stuttgarter Ak-o.

    Gruß rabege

    occio

    Would it be possible to upload a scan of the written (message) side. Many here read the old German script and it would most likely be very helpful.

    regards

    Nigel

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    I had hoped that there would be a date on the written side. The closest we get to that is the sentence that they are leaving early wedensday morning to go to Rome. The message largely concerns itself with the vulcano and its surroundings, and what they have experienced of it.

    regards

    Nigel

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    Hi Nigel,

    I supposed something similar, and for this reason I have not shown the image before your request.

    On other forum, "wuerttemberger" says me that this postmark was used from 1890 to 1905, so, by the postmark we cannot date the card.

    I'm afraid that there is not any possibility to date exactly this card...

    Thank you very much for your help, kind regards.
    Marco

    Hi Marco

    Your Guesstimation of 1895 is without a doubt not too far off the mark.

    From around 1900 there is a change in the script used, obviously those accustomed to using Süterlin continued to do so, but others, aware of other languages and their writing style, made changes to accomodate this. This script continued in use until around 1950, thereafter it is seldom used. Today very few can read it let alone write it. But thank you very much for letting us see what you collect, and I trust as no doubt do others that we will hear more from you and your collecting area.

    I very much hope so.

    kind regards

    Nigel

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    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von doktorstamp (20. November 2007 um 23:40)

    Hi Nigel,

    thank you for your words and for your adding info; thanks to my studies about this matter and the items found in years of search, I can say that this kind of postcard was in use from 1883-5 to 1896-7, so the range is more restricted than seeing only the postmark.. and your words about writing style confirm this restriction.

    However, my collection is quite advanced (actually is mounted as exhibit format - I have a website, too, about Vesuvian Funicular -still only in italian, sorry- ), and actually I'm not searching anymore any piece, because I have got all of them.. actually I'm trying to define the first and the last date of use of a postmark, so you can understand that the exact shipping date of a piece is a lot important for me... this is the only reason because I tried to know the exact date of this postcard, very important for my study.

    The linear cursive "Vesuvio", in fact, normally, should not postmark the stamp, because this postmark was used by Rural Postman, a man in middle of a normal postman and a post office: the difference between a Rural Postman and a Post Office is that the first one has not any postmark. On Vesuvius, the Rural Postman created himself some postmarks, and the linear cursive "Vesuvio" is one of these. So, you can understand that he could not postmarked the stamps, but sometimes he did, and these postcard postmarked only with this linear cursive are extremely rare.

    Thank you a lot and to have permitted me to talk about one of my passion :)

    Kind regards, Marco