Hello there!
This is a 1851 Danish envelope, the back wrote the number 16,
I would like to ask you:
This Danish envelope, where is it sent?
Indicates that the sender has paid the 16sk postage? , The number written on the front of the envelope, is that by the recipient to pay postage? , Written on the back of the envelope, is that the sender has paid the postage? ,
I would like to know this Danish envelope, the back of the written 16, is the kind of situation.
Many thanks!
Hello!
It is a compass postmark of Copenhagen. It has been sent to a company in Copenhagen.
Compass postmarks are rare.
It seems as if the 16 means 16 skillings. But I think 16 Skillings would be too much for a local letter.
I see no indication for the name of sender. Is there any cold seal on envelope which is invisible on scan?
Best regards,
robertoli
By Wikipedia you can find something about the receiver Jacob Holm in Kopenhagen:
He died 1845, his sons leaded the company after this date.
Gruß kartenhai
Hello xiaolin,
is it just an envelope or is it a complete letter? Without contents it seems to be impossible to explain the whole story behind this item.
The envelope bears the Kompass-Stempel from Copenhagen as robertoli has written in his answer. The manuscript 16 is the porto. Thats much to much for a local letter. Because there are no markings on the front I suppose it was a franco letter. Without contents I'm not able to say who had written this letter and where.
It could have been a ship letter delivered directly to a ship bound for Copenhagen but without a danish postmaster on board. But this is just a guess.
Best regards
DKKW
Original von robertoli
Hello!It is a compass postmark of Copenhagen. It has been sent to a company in Copenhagen.
Compass postmarks are rare.
It seems as if the 16 means 16 skillings. But I think 16 Skillings would be too much for a local letter.
I see no indication for the name of sender. Is there any cold seal on envelope which is invisible on scan?
Best regards,
robertoli
Hello,
It is written on the back, meaning that the recipient pays the 16skillings postage, or the sender has already paid for the 166skillings postage
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Original von kartenhai
By Wikipedia you can find something about the receiver Jacob Holm in Kopenhagen:
He died 1845, his sons leaded the company after this date.
Gruß kartenhai
Hello,
I also want to know:
It is written on the back, meaning that the recipient pays the 16skillings postage, or the sender has already paid for the 166skillings postage
wait
Original von DKKW
Hello xiaolin,is it just an envelope or is it a complete letter? Without contents it seems to be impossible to explain the whole story behind this item.
The envelope bears the Kompass-Stempel from Copenhagen as robertoli has written in his answer. The manuscript 16 is the porto. Thats much to much for a local letter. Because there are no markings on the front I suppose it was a franco letter. Without contents I'm not able to say who had written this letter and where.
It could have been a ship letter delivered directly to a ship bound for Copenhagen but without a danish postmaster on board. But this is just a guess.
Best regards
DKKW
Hello,
I don't understand what you said:
"..The, envelope, bears, the, Kompass-Stempel.."
"..The manuscript 16 is the porto."... Porto (Portuguese: Porto) should be Portugal's port
I also want to know:
It is written on the back, which means that the recipient paid the 16skillings postage, or whether the sender has paid the 166skillings postage
wait for
Hello!
Porto means postage fee.
Greetings,
robertoli
Porto = Postage due
Franco = Postage paid
Original von saeckingen
Porto = Postage due
Franco = Postage paid
thank you very much,
I am very ashamed of my knowledge is very poor.
In the future, I should learn more .......
Original von robertoli
Hello!Porto means postage fee.
Greetings,
robertoli
hank you very much,
I am very ashamed of my knowledge is very poor.
In the future, I should learn more .......
thank
Original von xiaolin
Hello,
I don't understand what you said:
"..The, envelope, bears, the, Kompass-Stempel.."
"..The manuscript 16 is the porto."... Porto (Portuguese: Porto) should be Portugal's port
I also want to know:
It is written on the back, which means that the recipient paid the 16skillings postage, or whether the sender has paid the 166skillings postage
wait for
Please understand my rudeness
I am very ashamed of my knowledge is very poor.
In the future, I should learn more .......
thank
Original von robertoli
Hello!It is a compass postmark of Copenhagen. It has been sent to a company in Copenhagen.
Compass postmarks are rare.
It seems as if the 16 means 16 skillings. But I think 16 Skillings would be too much for a local letter.
I see no indication for the name of sender. Is there any cold seal on envelope which is invisible on scan?
Best regards,
robertoli
Thank you for your help!
Ask about it;
It was a compass postmark of Copenhagen. It was stopped in 1859, when was it (that month stopped using) that I wanted to know.
thank
Thank you for your help!
Ask about it;
It was a compass postmark of Copenhagen. It was stopped in 1859, when was it (that month stopped using) that I wanted to know.
thank
Hello xiaolin,
this compass postmark from Copenhagen exists in five different types (I have never tried to find the differences). According to the book "Københavns poststempler" from skilling forlaget, Copenhagen, 1996 they were in use from july 8th 1851 to january 1st,1859. I have checked this data with the registration of the grand master of danish cancelations, the late Vagn Jensen, he had the same data.
Best regards
DKKW
Original von DKKW
Hello xiaolin,this compass postmark from Copenhagen exists in five different types (I have never tried to find the differences). According to the book "Københavns poststempler" from skilling forlaget, Copenhagen, 1996 they were in use from july 8th 1851 to january 1st,1859. I have checked this data with the registration of the grand master of danish cancelations, the late Vagn Jensen, he had the same data.
Best regards
DKKW
thank you very much,
Please give me a link to Københavns poststempler.
I just want to know:
Københavns poststempler's stop using the time (in that year, that month)
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Hello xiaolin,
I don't know any link about danish cancellations or cancellations from Copenhagen.
Københavns poststempler is a book from 1996 and Vagn Jensens registrations is at the homepage kpk.dk from the famous København philatelist klub but you must be member of KPK to get access.
There is a little book about Danish Cancellations (but written in Danish) in the net:
The usage of this special type of Copenhagen compass cancellations stopped on january 1st, 1859.
About the 16s on the backside of the cover. I'm not quite sure because there are no manuscript notices on the frontside.
Usualy there was a red 16 written on the frontside if the postage has to be paid by the recipient = Portobrief = postage due.
If it was a Francobrief = postage paid there was usualy a manuscript notice on front: "franco" or sometimes "frey"
Best regards
DKKW
Original von DKKW
Hello xiaolin,I don't know any link about danish cancellations or cancellations from Copenhagen.
Københavns poststempler is a book from 1996 and Vagn Jensens registrations is at the homepage kpk.dk from the famous København philatelist klub but you must be member of KPK to get access.
There is a little book about Danish Cancellations (but written in Danish) in the net:
The usage of this special type of Copenhagen compass cancellations stopped on january 1st, 1859.
About the 16s on the backside of the cover. I'm not quite sure because there are no manuscript notices on the frontside.
Usualy there was a red 16 written on the frontside if the postage has to be paid by the recipient = Portobrief = postage due.
If it was a Francobrief = postage paid there was usualy a manuscript notice on front: "franco" or sometimes "frey"
Best regards
DKKW
Hello DKKW
Thank you so much for your assistance.
In China, it is difficult for me to look for these materials,
thanks to the Internet and this good forum,,
In the past few years, I have got your help,
Thanks to German friends and friends from other countries!
Best regards
xiaolin,
