I have been studying these definitives since approximately 1993. I find them to be very challenging to study, given the gaps in knowledge missing even from the most advanced Argentinean specialized catalogs-e.g. Klass 1970 and Kneitschel 1951.
I hope some of the members of this forum enjoy looking at these stamps, and even maybe collecting them/studying them:
Here are the papers as I currently understand them. There are a few gaps in my current study of these...the numbering scheme is my own given that there is no published scheme that addresses the papers correctly/completely.
(01) 1E1: The first early paper with wavy lines from October 1935, which I find in use thrroughout 1936.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/5P/007-300t-wmk1E.jpg]
(02) 1E2: Mostly used in 1937/38.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/001622-1E2.jpg]
(03) 1E3: Mostly used in 1939. At times easily confused with the 1E1 paper.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/001635-1E3.jpg]
(04) 1E4: Mostly used in 1940.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/002495-1E5-tinyRA-350.jpg]
(05) CL1A: The first clay papers from 1943. The watermark is similar to that of the 1E4 paper.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/004146-b.jpg]
(06) CL1B: Watermark is perpendicular to the previous paper.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/CL1B-40c-dark-1943-700.jpg]
(07) NGR: unwatermarked grid
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/20P/004-300t-3.jpg]
(08) NOP: opaque, thick, unwatermarked, and uncatalogued. Easiest to distinguish for the high values (5, 10, and 20 pesos).
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/5P/008-300t-1-NOP-wmk-asis-equal.jpg]
(09) 2C: RA straight rays; neat
(10) 2D: RA straight rays; diffuse
(11) 2N: RA straight rays; narrow features
(12) CL2A: thin, plastic-like clay paper
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/10cBR-A-CL2A-3-b.jpg]
(13) CL2B: thin, plastic-like clay paper, opaque and almost imposible to back scan!
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/scan0013-filter-700.jpg]
The five late papers from the 1950s
(14) 1L1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/005690-back-Z.jpg]
(15) 1L2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/faint-large-scan0025.jpg]
(16) 1L3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/faint-medium-scan0018.jpg]
(17) 1L4:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/very-faint-medium-scan0023.jpg]
(18) 1L5:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/papers/LO-scan0017.jpg]
(19) Official clay paper, similar to CL2A, thinner, and easy to back scan for the 50c, and slightly thick and with poor perforations for the 25c.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003964-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/004135-b.jpg]
Such research is very important, despite or perhaps in spite of many years of collecting not everything is known. I would strongly suggest you publish your findings. There are trusts in both Germany and England that support such publications. If you are interested I can provide details.
kind regards
Nigel
Thanks much, Nigel.
I would like to know more about these entities.
tony
Here is a link to a few covers with the previous definitive issue (San Martin), which was only possible between october 1, 1935 and the end of that year. The San Martin stamps were subsequently demonetized and the post office allowed their exchange for the new issue during the first 90 days of 1936.
This cover seems to be from October 1, 1935, which would make it a first day of use for the 5c Moreno.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/early-cover-3-stamps-700.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/early-cover-3-stamps-550.jpg]
I completed a study of this stamp as a test of what I need to do for all the others. This is one of the simpler stamps in that it had a limited run (all of 1936) and was printed on one paper (my 1E1, the cream medium thickness paper).
This stamp was issued January 1, 1936, and here is a cover from January 4.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/book01/000049-1PL-049-C-back.jpg]
This is the first paper (1E1):
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/1P/000056-1PL-056-M-wmk-350.jpg]
There are two catalogued plate varieties in Klass/Kneitschel:
long vertical line across argentina section of map
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/1P/000009-1PL-009-U-PV-long-scratch-det-350.jpg]
retouched left numeral background
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/1P/000070-1PL-070-U-numeral-highres-det350.jpg]
there is an additional plate variety I find, and it seems to be in one of the master dies because I find two variations:
the most common has a broken curl midway along the right side edge,
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/book01/000067-1PL-067-U.jpg]
here is a detail
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/book01/details/000067-1PL-067-U-dert.jpg]
the second variation also has a line break that I find in two separate specimens (one on cover).
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/book01/000055-1PL-055-M-PV-UL.jpg]
here is the detail
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/book01/details/000055-1PL-055-M-PV-UL-det2.jpg]
for those who can read Spanish, I also have scans of the three major catalogs for the regular issues and the officials in Kneitschel (the most authoritative source, it seems):
Ediphila 1980:
Kneitschel 1951:
Klass 1970:
Officials in Kneitschel:
Here are two plate varieties that seem to come from the master dies. They are side by side on rows 2,4, and 6 of this block.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/10cR1EI-large-block-450.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/block_10cR1E1-I-2-6-7-700.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/block_10cR1E1-I-2-6detail.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/block_10cR1E1-I-2-7detail.jpg]
Here is a link to a page of a cover with these:
This is one of the easiest stamps to type due to the light color.
30c1E1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/30c1E1/001549-b.jpg]
30c1E2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/30c1E2/001598-b.jpg]
30c1E3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/30c1E3/001634-1E3.jpg]
30c1E4:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/30c1E4/001662-b.jpg]
Here is a picture book I composed for these issues (PDF, 14.1 MegaBytes):
It contains errors and omissions I plan to fix soon.
this is one of the harder stamps to type because of the dark color. The links show additional stamps.
40c1E1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/40c1E1/002590-b.jpg]
40c1E2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/40c1E2/002610-b.jpg]
40c1E3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/40c1E3/002901-b.jpg]
40c1E4 (not too sure about this one):
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/40c1E4/002621-b.jpg]
This one is one of the easier ones to type because of the color:
50c1E1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/50c1E1/50c1E-0806-2-b.jpg]
50c1E2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/50c1E2/002959-b.jpg]
50c1E3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/50c1E3/50c1E-0806-1-b.jpg]
50c1E4:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/50c1E4/002968-b.jpg]
This stamp is also easy to type.
1p1E1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002752.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002752-b.jpg]
1p1E2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003019.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003019-b.jpg]
1p1E3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003020.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003020-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003028.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003028-b.jpg]
a nice block of the 1p1E4:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003053.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003053-b.jpg]
Here is an assortment of early 2 pesos stamps. I am still in the process of typing these.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002854.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002854-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003072.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003072-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003073.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003073-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003074.jpg]
I am also still in the process of typing these. They should serve as good training when compared to the ones I have already identified in previous posts.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003158.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003158-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003159.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003159-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003177.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003177-b.jpg]
These were apparently not printed on all of the four 1E papers. I do not find, for instance, a 10p1E2....
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002856.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/002856-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003193.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003193-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003197.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003197-b.jpg]
Some of these are the truly elusive first printing (20p1E1), and I do not find any with the 1E2 paper (taller, narrower RA).
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003246.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003246-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003249.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003249-b.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003251.jpg]
[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200805/003251-b.jpg]
This is one of the easiest stamps to type due to the light color.
25c1E1:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/25c1E1/002287-b.jpg]
25c1E2:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/25c1E2/002337-b.jpg]
25c1E3:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/25c1E3/002420-b.jpg]
25c1E4 (y del cual no estoy muy seguro que los sean...):
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/25c1E4/002338-b.jpg]
15cMG and 20cMG:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/15c-20cMG-1E/15cMG1E-B4-type-b.jpg]
20cLC:
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/20cLC1E3/20cLC-0806-1-1E-b.jpg]
Now that I have scanned a good number of the stamps on the first watermark, I have used Picasa albums to load Flash comparisons to my web site.
Comparison between 1E1 and 1E2:
Comparison between 1E1 and 1E3:
Comparison between 1E1 and 1E4:
Comparison between 1E2 and 1E3:
Comparison between 1E2 and 1E4:
Comparison between 1E3 and 1E4:
I include here the dates of the first shipments to post offices for each of the Ministeriales.
[Blockierte Grafik: http://somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200806/departmentals-dates.jpg]
