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These two blocks have several repeatable plate varieties. Some of these varieties do not appear on the three blocks previously shown and are not found in repeatable rows or columns. Here are the two blocks unmarked and marked.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-07-600.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-07-marked.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-08-600.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-08-marked.jpg]

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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 1 details

Here are details for the three blocks shown in the previous post. The pair of repeatable varieties on the same row consist of these two plate varieties, both easy to spot:

Block 1,
row 1, column 1
row 3, column 1

Block 2,
row 2, column 1
row 4, column 1

Block 3
row 2, column 1

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-1-1-pv.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-1-1-pv2.jpg]

Block 1,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3

Block 2,
row 2, column 3
row 4, column 3

Block 3
row 2, column 3

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-1-3-pv.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-1-3-pv-2.jpg]

There are two additional repeatable varieties. The first one has a break in the line above TINA of ARGENTINA between the I and the N.

Block 1
Row 1, Column 4
Row 3, Column 4

Block 2
Row 2, Column 4

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-1-4-pv.jpg]

The second one has a noticeable dot under the first A of MARIANO.

Block 1
Row 2, column 3
Row 4, column 3

Block 2,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3

Block 3,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-2-3-pv.jpg]

The third block has a variety found in two other blocks to be posted next. This variety has an M of MORENO that looks like the greek letter for M. It is found on row 3, column 4.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-11-3-4-pv.jpg]

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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 1

These three blocks have several repeatable plate varieties. These varieties appear in repeatable blocks (most likely of five horizontal and two vertical cliches). Here are the three blocks unmarked and marked.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-06-marked.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-10.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-10-marked.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-11.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/5ct-PV-1/DEPOF-5c-11-marked.jpg]

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5p1L2 Lower Right corner block with plate varieties

The upper left stamp is a familiar plate variety: long scratch across palm. Thanks to this block I now know that it is at least found in position 89. It may or may not be unique to one position on the plate.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-5p1L2.jpg]

Upper Left details

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-5p1L2-UL-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-5p1L2-UL-2.jpg]

Lower Left detail

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-5p1L2-LL.jpg]

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2p1L6 Upper Left corner block with key plate variety

I have shown position 1 of the plate before, I just did not know where on the plate it was. Thanks to this corner block, I now do.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-2p1L6.jpg]

Upper Left Detail

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-2p1L6-UL.jpg]

Lower Left detail

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-2p1L6-LL.jpg]

Lower Right detail

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/corner-blocks/corner-2p1L6-LR.jpg]

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Updated main page in somestamps

I have added links to all of the forum posts to the main page for this issue in somestamps:

I also now have a postal history page:

Here are image selections:

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/updated-page/page-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/updated-page/page-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200908/updated-page/page-3.jpg]

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25c range of use

Here are links to three Picasa web albums showing dates of use for specific papers (2C, 1E3c, and 1E3b):

Here is a first attempt at establishing range of use as well as relative rarity of each printing. With the exception of one of the 1E4s (highlighted in red), all of the dates are within range-i.e. there aren't any early uses one or two years before the known earliest use from looking at many specimens over the years.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/25c-papers/25c-usage.jpg]

The 25c1E1 is very rare, 50 percent of this sample are 1E3c's-the symmetrical box grid, and most of the other papers are also rare. The results from this small sample are consistent with my previous experience.

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Comparisons of the 15cMG-SO 'TINA'

These comparisons show several types of overprints for the 'TINA' plate variety. The slight differences between the placements of the overprint are an indication that this variety is found more than once on the plate.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/tina-lower.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/upper-one.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/upper-one-marked.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/upper-two.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/upper-two-marked.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/comparisons/upper-three.jpg]

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15c Martin Guemes 2C 'Fat I in TINA of ARGENTINA'

Here is a selection of 15cMG2C-SO blocks with the 'Tina' plate variety.

Upper Left 'Tina'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-07-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-07-3.jpg]

Upper Right 'Tina'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-03-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-18-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-18-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-17-1.jpg]

Lower Left 'Tina'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-17-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-16-1.jpg]

Lower Right 'Tina'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-2/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-17-3.jpg]

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15c Martin Guemes 1L 'Fat I in TINA of ARGENTINA'

This variety, by how commonly I find it, is most likely a master die plate variety. I always find the 'Tina' plate variety with a stamp to the right with a small gap on the inner line next to the last A of ARGENTINA. Except for what seems to be an early printing, represented by the first block I show here, I also find a similar 'gap' plate flaw on the stamp below the 'TINA' stamp.

'Tina' Plate Variety Upper Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-1.jpg]

Upper Left stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-1-UL-tina.jpg]

Upper Right stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-1-UR-gap.jpg]

Lower Left stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-1-LL-gap.jpg]

'Tina' Plate Variety Upper Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-2.jpg]

Upper Right stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-2-UR-tina.jpg]

Lower Right stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/tina-1/servicio-oficial-15cMG1E-07-2-LR-gap.jpg]

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15c Martin Guemes 'break under first A of ARGENTINA'

These two blocks have this plate variety. By its scarcity I postulate that it is not common on the plate, although when I compare the overprints from each block and the additional flaws on the second block, I find that these are two separate plate positions.

Here is a detail of this flaw:

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/break-a/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-09-1-UR-pv.jpg]

The upper left stamp in the following block is the plate variety.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/break-a/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-09-1.jpg]

The upper right stamp in the following block is the plate variety.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/break-a/servicio-oficial-15cMG2-14-3.jpg]

Here are the comparisons of the plate flaws and the relative distance between the overprints.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/break-a/comparison-break-a.jpg]

Focusing on the L of OFICIAL in the overprint we can see that these are different types of the overprint for the same flaw and same positions relative to the flaw.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/15cMG-SO/break-a/comparison-break-a-marked.jpg]

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10c Rivadavia Red Types II and III in two blocks

Here are two blocks labeled for types (2 is II, 3 is III). I do not find any plate flaws that connect these two blocks.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/block-1/10cR1E-C-04.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/block-1/10cR1E-C-04-types.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/block-2/10cR1E-C-03.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/block-2/10cR1E-C-03-types.jpg]

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'two dots' 10c Rivadavia Red Type III plate variety

The two dots are found under the letters RN of BERN in BERNARDINO.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01-2.jpg]

I find two specimens with this plate variety, recently reported by Rein. The two I find are different positions in the plate, as are the two from the position immeditely right of this plate variety. Here are comparisons of the 'two dots' specimens;

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/comparison-two-dots.jpg]

and of the position to the right of the two examples on hand:

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/comparison-two-dots-2.jpg]

Here is the strip of three with the first example.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01.jpg]

Left-most stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01-1.jpg]

Middle stamp, 'two dots' (shown at top)

Right-most stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01-3.jpg]

top detail of the right-most stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01-3-bot.jpg]

bottom detail of the right-most stamp

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-3-01-3-top.jpg]

The second specimen is found top left in this block.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-C-05.jpg]

Top left, 'two dots' plate variety

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-C-05-11.jpg]

Block labeled for types (2 is II, 3 is III):

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/two-dots/10cR1E-C-05-types.jpg]

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Relative numbers of the three types of 10c Rivadavia Red

I have selected a group of clean used stamps to look for types. I chose multiples of three or more as a first step to figure out where the Type III's are on the plate.

I found the blocks listed in this table from a selection of approximately 5,000 stamps. Because this stamp was used mostly as a single and sometimes as a pair, multiples are relatively uncommon.

The relative rarity of the Type I I already knew about. I would use a larger sample, including singles, to measure it with higher accuracy, but 1 in 20 of Type I compared to the sum of Types II and III seems realistic.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR-types/strips/table.jpg]

From these blocks an 82.5 percent / 17.5 percent split between Types II and III results. From the stamps with selvages I have, I only find type IIIs for the selvage with the vertical field of lines.

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Comparison of the 10c Rivadavia Red Type II and Type III

I am in the process of absorbing a significant discovery that Rein has just made: there are additional types of the 10c Rivadavia Red and Brown stamps! This is a most interesting development.

For the typographed stamps with the selvage with a field of vertical lines I find two types. Because we already have a type I and a type II for the red Rivadavia, I am calling it type III. From looking at a small sample, I do not find any multiples with both types, and if this continues to be the case, then each of type II and type III are from separate compositions.

Type II

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008923-b4-07-det2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008934-b4-14-det2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008940-b4-15-det2.jpg]

Type III

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008919-b4-09-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008922-b4-04-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/type-III/008925-b4-12-det.jpg]

Comparison of Type II and Type III

There may be several master die varieties of Type III. All type II seem to share the two dots under the B of BERNARDINO, and all type III seem to share the dot in the lapel .

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10cR/types-comparison-600.jpg]

I find both types used in 1936.

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10pNGR Blocks with plate varieties

Here are three blocks of four with plate varieties. This plate has so many plate varieties that the rarities are the dies without them.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…-2-20080617.jpg]

Upper Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UL.jpg]

Lower Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LL.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…-3-20080617.jpg]

Upper Left, three triangular dots in field

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UL.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…0080617-UL2.jpg]

Upper Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…PV-20080617.jpg]

Upper Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UL.jpg]

Upper Right, three triangular dots in field

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…0080617-UR2.jpg]

Lower Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LR.jpg]

10pNGR-SO Blocks with plate varieties

Here are three blocks of four with plate varieties. This plate has so many plate varieties that the rarities are the dies without them.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…O1-20080617.jpg]

Lower Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LL.jpg]

Lower Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…O2-20080617.jpg]

Upper Left

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UL.jpg]

Upper Right, three triangular dots in field

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UR.jpg]

Lower Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…O3-20080617.jpg]

Upper Right, three triangular dots in field

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-UR.jpg]

<img src"http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200907/10PNGR/10PNGR-SO3-20080617-UR2.jpg[/img]

Lower Right

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…20080617-LR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551…0080617-LR2.jpg]

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The fourteen publications that form the first round of this study consist of a 2007 book, 10 books of notes from 2008, a 2009 book on the 1E1 and 1E2, and two books of notes from the first half of 2009.

The advancements Rein has made and I am in the process of learning from are not in this first round. I am still absorbing the watermark work Rein has done, which I think is incredibly useful and advanced. The same is true for the printed overprints and lately the check dots Rein keeps finding in various plates.

All I wanted to do in these notes is have a 'first round' study available to everyone in a quick reference. There are many, many holes in the first round material, most notable:

1. A deeper look at watermarks following Rein's seminal work.
2. Showing a complete run of the Departmentals, and especially a reasonably complete run of these stamps on cover.
3. Wrapping up the 'Servicio Oficial' issues by including Rein's work and the work of Luis (in the Argentinean Forum).
4. A close look at many plate varieties (the master die varieties as well as the 'single position' varieties).
5. A close look at the magnificent postal history of this issue.

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