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Two 20 pesos blocks

The appeal of these high value blocks is unmistakable. Such a high face value was most likely paid for a post office box receipt.

This block is a 20p1E4.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/20p1E4.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/20p1E4-b.jpg]

This block is a 20pNGR.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/20pNGR.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/20pNGR-b.jpg]

The upper right stamp has a small indentation below the '20.'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/20pNGR-UR-pv-det.jpg]

The 1p2D

The 1 peso value, like the 20c Large Format Cattle stamp (the 20cLC) was printed on the diffused (2D)and clear (2C) straight rays papers. This block was printed on the 2D paper.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/1p2D.jpg]

Here is the back showing the watermark.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/1p2D-b.jpg]

The lower right stamp has a plate scratch probably caused by placing the die into the printing cylinder.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/other/1p2D-LR-pv-det.jpg]

The 1L2 watermark

These two examples are 5 pesos stamps.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-1-b.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5-b.jpg]

A 5p1L2 block showing repeated plate varieties

With this block we can postulate that the plate was made up in pair of rows and that some plate varieties come from the master dies. This pattern is found on other stamps of this series (the 10c Rivadavia Red and the 50c, for example).

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5.jpg]

The right side stamp in the first row has the same scratch...

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5-1-2-pv-det.jpg]

.. as the right side stamp in the third row

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5-3-2-pv-det.JPG]

The left side stamp in the second row is a common plate variety.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5-2-1-pv-det-1.JPG]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-5-2-1-pv-det-2.JPG]

Plate variety candidate for the 5p1L2

The lower right stamp in this block has an indentation to the trunk of the palm.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-2.jpg]

Here is a detail. I do not find a second specimen in my sample.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-2-LR-pv-det.jpg]

and various 5p1L2 plate varieties

The lower left stamp in this block is the 'long scratch across palm plate variety.'

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-1-LL-pv-det.jpg]

This plate has two plate varieties.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-4.jpg]

Here is a detail of the upper left stamp.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-4-UL-pv-det.jpg]

Here is a detail of the upper right stamp.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-4-UR-pv-det.jpg]

The most elusive 5p plate variety

The upper right stamp in this block has a scratch in the background that is very difficult to find.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-3.jpg]

The give-away is this outer edge break.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-3-UR-pv-det1.jpg]

Here is a detail of the scratch.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-3-UR-pv-det2.jpg]

In this comparison, I have blocked out the area around the scratch.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5p1L/5p1L2-3-UR-pv-det2-compare.jpg]

A selection of 5pNOPs

The first specimen may be a plate variety, but I do not find a second specimen in my sample.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-2-pv.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-2-pv-det.jpg]

Additional 5pNOPs

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-3.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-4.jpg]

including one canceled in 1950.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/hv-blocks/5pNOP/5pNOP-date.jpg]

Some plate varieties of the 20cSC

A 20cSC1L1 stamp showing a long drawn line on the plate.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC1L1-pv.jpg]

Two 20cSCCL2A-D's.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-D-pv-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-D-pv-1-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-D-pv-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-D-pv-2-det.jpg]

Three 20cSCCL2A-L's.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-1-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-2-eye.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-2-eye-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-3-20left.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/PV/20cSC-L-pv-3-20left-det.jpg]

The 20cSC1L5z

This is the clearliest, highest quality printing of the 20cSC.

Some specimens show poor centering.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-centering.jpg]

Here is a range of typical shades.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-clean.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-medium.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-dark.jpg]

Here is a very rare light shade.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-light.jpg]

A slightly over-inked printing.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L5/20cSC1L5-smudged.jpg]

The 20cSC1L1

These stamps are typically average to poor printings.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L1/20cSC1L1-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L1/20cSC1L1-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L1/20cSC1L1-3.jpg]

A dirty printing.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/1L1/20cSC1L1-dirty.jpg]

The 20cSCCL2A-D Dark Blue Clay

Here is a range of shades of typical specimens.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-normal.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-normal-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-normal-3.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-normal-4.jpg]

A clean printing, uncommon for this stamp.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-clean.jpg]

Smudged printings.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-smudged.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-smudged-2.jpg]

A worn printing.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-D/20cSC-D-worn.jpg]

The 20cSCCL2A-L Light Blue Clay

Here is a range of shades of typical specimens.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-normal.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-normal-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-normal-3.jpg]

A slightly darker shade.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-medium.jpg]

A dirty printing.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-dirty.jpg]

A worn printing.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/CL-L/20cSC-L-worn.jpg]

Small threads in two late papers for the 20cSC

Rein noticed small threads in the clay (CL2A) and regular (1L1) papers. I find these as well, and in several colors.

A 1L1 example:

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC1L1-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC1L1-1-det1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC1L1-1-det1-eq.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC1L1-1-det2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC1L1-1-det2-eq.jpg]

a clay dark blue example,

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-1-det.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-1-det-eq.jpg]

and a second clay dark blue example.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-2.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-2-det1.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/20cSC/paper/20cSC-D-2-det2.jpg]

Here is a small selection of used postcards.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-1-b.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-1-f.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-2-b.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-2-f.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-3-b.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-3-f.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-4-b.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-4-f.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postcards/pc-4-b-st.jpg]

Late usage of the 2 pesos and 5 pesos

These are the two latest uses I have.

2 pesos canceled December (16?) of 1956.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/covers/2P/1951-plus/1957-us-ri-cover_015_f-550.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/covers/2P/1951-plus/1957-us-ri-cover_015_stamps_detail.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/covers/2P/1951-plus/1957-us-ri-cover_015_stamps-det-slogan-550.jpg]

and 5 pesos canceled February 28 of 1957.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/covers/5P/5P1L/16-001_300_f_lowres.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/covers/5P/5P1L/16-001_300_f_stamps.jpg]

A postal entire with Census information

This postal entire found limited use. It has information about Argentina from 1934.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-600.jpg]

The stamp is Type II.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-st-450.jpg]

Here are details of the back of this entire, a fold-out.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-600.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-1-450.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-2-450.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-3-450.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-4-450.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200910/postal-history/10cR-entire-back-5-450.jpg]

Rates within Argentina from Ravignani

Based on the book by Miguel Emilio Ravignani about Argentinean postal rates from 1877 to 1974, which luckily includes the complete period of postal use for the Argentina 1935-51 issue these are the rates within Agentina for the three most commonly used rates.

The three main postal rates for mail within Argentina are the simple letter rate (20 grams or approximately 1/2 ounce), the certified mail rate, and the express mail rate.

The simple letter rate for each 20 grams is 10 centavos before 1937, and 5 centavos from 1937 to 1948. The certified and express rates before 1944 are not clear from this book. Here are the rates from 1944 onwards in the format (simple letter rate, certified mail rate, express mail rate):

1944 ( 5 centavos, 25 centavos, 25 centavos )
1949 ( 10 centavos, 30 centavos, 40 centavos )
1951 ( 20 centavos, 60 centavos, 1 peso )
1952 ( 20 centavos, 1.30 pesos, 1.50 pesos )
1956 ( 40 centavos, 2 pesos, 2 pesos )

Yet another postal history categorization

I have loaded images to the forums and have obtained some inputs, but have not collaborated with members to take the next step: an in-depth study of the monumental postal history of this issue. Here is my latest categorization:

1. Earliest uses. As I have made progress studying the chronological use of each paper, it has become possible for me to tell most of the time the correct printing for a stamp on cover.
2. Rates to destinations within Argentina.
3. Rates to destinations outside Argentina.
4. Modes of postal use (ground, sea, air).
5. Rates by specific air service.
6. Chronological use in reference to WW II (before, during, after), and specifically censured usages.
7. Officials.
8. Postal entires and postcards.
9. Slogans.
10. PERFINs.
11. Other: postal forgeries, insufficient postage, 10c bisected (shown in the GJ 2009 catalog).

Comments on the new catalog by Gottig and Jalil (GJ 2009)

These are all intended as constructive comments. This catalog represents a quantum leap in Argentinean philately. The pictures alone are worth the price. The catalog is in large format and printed on high quality paper. I have the soft-bound version. It is just plain beautiful.

For the 1935-51 definitives, I have four categories of comments.

1. Sources of information on which the catalog is based.
2. Some papers are missing.
3. Some errors, partly based on missing papers.
4. Plate varieties, largely missing, and could easily fill a second volume.

1. The information found in Deluca, especially printing quantities for some DEPOFs and first day of use for the first printings, is missing. Also missing are the first month of use mentions for the Straight Rays papers from Klass 1970.
2. Although the Austrian (1E2) and Dutch (1E4) papers added expand on Kneitschel, some key differentiations are missing:
a. The Wavy Rays types-e.g. number 759; are really a combination of as many as the 1E1, 1E3(a,b,c), 1L1, 1L2, and 1L3.
b. The unwatermarked stamps have not been separated between grilled (NGR) and opaque (NOP).
c. The Straight Rays have not been separated between the clear (2C) and diffuse (2D).
d. There is no mention of the direction of the watermark, which we know is unique to a type. For example, the 2p2C is found with horizontal and vertical watermark, while the 5p2C is only found with horizontal watermark.
e. For the DEPOFs, there is no distinction between English (1E) and Austrian (1E2) papers, even though in some cases this distinction is useful. While all small format DEPOF, 50c, 1p top overprint, 1p with boundaries are 1E1, and all 25c are 1E2; all 30c and some 1p bottom overprint are found on both papers. Also missing is the very popular M..M error found in the first 1E1 printing of the small format values.

3. Some pictures do not refer to the correct stamp:
a. The 763A stamps are not the 1939, or 1E3a, pinting; instead these are 1L2 of 1951. The same is the case for the stamp 764A. The picture for stamp 759 is a 1L2 from 1952 and not the 1E1-much scarcer. The stamp 765 looks like a 1E4, and not the 1E1, which has unique colors.

This is the 20p of 1936.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com//images-arg3551/issue-pages/20P/006-600-4-1E.jpg]

b. The stamp 766, 25c clay, was only issued as 'Servicio Oficial.' The picture can only refer to a proof or stamps missing the overprint.

Here is my favorite comprison:

5pNOP

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/5P/rescan-5PNOP-350.jpg]

5pNGR

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/issue-pages/5P/5p2004022-5PNGR-350.jpg]

4. About plate varieties, well, we could fill a second volume.

About a second volume, there is plenty of additional material to fill it: postmarks, slogans, PERFINs, postal entires...

This is a great catalog, I hope you buy it and enjoy it.

5c Postal Entires Post Horn in Shield Type

This ample shows usages to several businesses in Buenos Aires.

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200909/entires/006401.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200909/entires/006401-st.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200909/entires/006402.jpg]

[Blockierte Grafik: http://www.somestamps.com/images-arg3551/reference-collection/foro/200909/entires/006402-st.jpg]